Saturday, July 17, 2021

Avion Truck Camper progress!



 


















We've been neglecting the blog all summer because we've been spending all our free time actually working on the '65 Avion. 

I've captured a bunch of build photos along the way and hope to come back and post some more specific updates of stuff we've done over the winter.  At this point we are close to getting it onto the truck and out for a first trip.  Exterior is all buttoned up, interior is all back together along with new appliances.  We are really pleased with how it is turning out and are super excited to start camping soon.  

We have been posting some photos of the build on Instagram and expect to post some photos of our adventures there on a more regular basis as well.   So if you're for more about our Avion C-10 check here dwsdws12 on Instagram! 











Saturday, June 26, 2021

Towing the Shasta with the F-350

 















Before the Avion truck camper was ready we did two weekend camping trips to the Adirondacks while our normal tow vehicle was in the shop so, we used the new F-350 to tow our 1963 Shasta Airflyte. The towing capacity of the truck is hugely overkill for such a small trailer, and as you'd expect the truck didn't mind at all that the Shasta was back there. In fact the truck got exactly the same gas milage towing the Shasta as it did without! 

So, how did it tow?  Not too great, our truck was built with a camper package with a suspension that expects about 3,000lbs of camper (or more) to always be sitting in the bed. Driving the truck around with and empty bed and not towing is a rough ride. Towing the approximately 2,100lb trailer with an empty bed was manageable, but far from the smooth traveling we typically have when the Shasta is paired with our Ford Flex Ecoboost. The one upside of the truck on this trip was when stopping for firewood on the way to the campground we could just stack the firewood in the empty bed!  If we need tow like this again we will find something heavy to put in the bed to try to help smooth things out. 





Sunday, May 16, 2021

Ford F-350 Super Duty for the Truck Camper!

 



















The last new major appliance purchase for the Avion C-10 was the truck. (Warning this is a long post!) 

I refer to the truck as a “camper appliance” because we’ve never owned a truck and I’ve never really had aspirations to get one, I usually drive Subaru's and small VW's - for us the truck is just a part of the Avion Truck Camper. I liked the idea of putting the Avion on a vintage truck specially to show at rallies and some local car shows, but the whole reason we are doing the Avion as a project was to use it for real traveling and pairing it with a newer vehicle makes more sense. After looking on and off for months for a lightly used truck that ticked enough of our boxes we decided that ordering a new one spec’d the way we wanted would work best for us. We estimated that the Avion would weigh about 3000lbs when loaded, so to have enough payload capacity we needed at least a 3/4 ton truck like a F-250 or 2500 series. While half ton trucks have high tow ratings they are just not built for driving around with 3,000lbs sitting in the bed. Our slide-in camper was originally designed for a 8’ bed and while some folks do put them in the now common 6' beds we wanted a long bed so that the weight would be centered correctly and so all of the floor that was designed to be supported would be. Ideally we wanted a nicely trimmed cab for comfort when traveling long distances on the highway. We also decided decided that extended cab would be ideal so that we would have some extra storage space, and we wanted the capability to occasionally have extra passengers. The extended cab trucks are also a few sheet shorter overall than the now more common full crew cab, the combination of extended cab with long bed results in a truck that is the same length as crew/short bed trucks that are everywhere these days. The Avion has almost no outside storage compartments, so we plan to use the trucks rear seat sort of like our “basement” area. 

In a looking for lightly used 3/4 and 1 ton trucks with 8’ beds we found that very few had nicely appointed cabs because most of the these trucks are built as work trucks, the ones that do have higher trim levels seemed too fancy for what we wanted and sell for as much used as a new one built the way we’d like it. We also preferred a gas engine, based on my research the gas engine would be quieter and less expensive in the long run for fuel and maintenance, and most of higher trim level used trucks that we found were diesels. 

So we looked at options for what we get new from Ram, GMC, and Ford. Initially I thought a Toyota Tundra would be in the running but the payload is below 2,000lbs and the fit of the camper didn’t seem like a good match. We ended up deciding on a Ford Super Duty, a couple of the key reasons were that the fit of the camper on paper looked like it would better than the others and familiarity of controls and things to our Ford Flex which we we hoped would help ease the transition to driving a giant truck. Initially we thought we would get an F-250, but in double checking payload capacity we decided to go with an F-350. By going with an F-350 the the payload is little over half its payload capacity with the loaded Avion compared to an F-250 which would always be close to it’s maximum payload. Our thought is that half payload is probably the engineered sweet-spot for best driving experience. The way we spec’d the truck the difference in cost between the 250 and 350 was less than $1000 and the physical dimensions are identical so going with a 350 became an easy choice. 

So here’s what we got, it’s a 2021 Ford F-350 Super Duty, 4X4, with Super Cab and an 8’ long bed. It’s Lariat trim level which has leather seats, a fair amount of creature comforts, and a nice grill and rims. We also went with the new 7.3L gas engine, codenamed Godzilla by Ford it is a classic pushrod design with fewer moving parts than many modern engines and was designed to be used in Super Duty trucks, RV’s and Motorhomes, and other commercial vehicles where low cost maintenance and reliability are important. It's expected to be very common over the next decade which could help a lot if we need a mechanic while on the road someday. It claims to have about the same gas milage as the recent 6.2L gas engines that have been typically used in the Super Duty trucks over the last bunch of years but has noticeably more horsepower. We also got the somewhat new 10 speed automatic transmission which has been used on a bunch of Ford vehicles in the last few years. We went with 4x4 and an electronic locking rear axle as "insurance" to help us get out of any situations we might find ourselves in. Another reason we got the locking rear axle is that I've seen discussions on online camper forums praising its use when backing onto a pair of blocks to level your rig. Because we ordered the truck as a custom build we were able to get the Camper Package which uses front and rear springs that are selected assuming that there will be a slide-in camper in the bed. This package also includes a rear sway bar, we might upgrade to a Hellwig Big Wig sway bar but are going to spend some time using the OEM set-up before we decide. There is a really cool video about Fords development work and testing for Super Duty’s with slide-in truck campers here..  


We are using Torklift frame mounted tie-downs that I installed myself, they seem very well designed and installation was pretty easy. We found that we needed Torklift Fastgun Turnbuckles on front because the turnbuckle needs to be removed to open the fuel filler door every time we pump gas. I went with the also well made Torklift Springloaded XL turnbuckles in rear. Ford does not include a 7-pin wiring socket in the bed of the truck with the camper package, so I installed one made by Curtis myself, this was also pretty easy and let me locate it where it would be best for us. 

The fit of the Avion C-10 to the truck bed worked out quite well. We bought a OEM Bed Mat and I found that I only needed to add three 3/4” thick cedar boards to dial-in the fit with what we think is just enough clearance over the cab and at the tops of the truck bed sides. Also to note that when we replaced the floor of the Avion I used cedar 2x4’s as the three ribs on the bottom which probably added an extra 1 1/4” of height over the original ribs, compared to a stock 1965 Avion I think we are at about +2” of height to get the perfect fit. We are using a pair of stacked 4x4 blocks between the front wall of the camper and the front wall of the truck bed. This gets us gap between the rear window of the truck and the front of the camper that also seems just right. We had to work hard to down to just the 4” blocks, the rear bumper of the truck has raised areas on its ends near the taillights that collided with the lower grey fiberglass fairings of the camper. I knew ahead of time that this area might be a problem, but until the camper was the truck couldn’t predict to what extent. I ended up modifying a localized area of the campers fiberglass parts to create a recess to fit the raised bumper detail. I just used duct tape to seal this up for our first season but will fiberglass the area and clean it up when I get around to it. Another option would be to remove the trucks rear bumper or to look for an aftermarket bumper that would work better, but for us modifying the camper slightly was easy and no cost. Note that I had planned for this possibility and left empty space inside the fiberglass part where our grey water tank is now located and ran the plumbing, propane line, and wiring to stay clear also. 

Actually getting the truck was not without some drama. We decided that it would be good to order the truck so it would arrive in the early spring 2021, that timing seemed do-able to have the camper back together enough to go camping. Typical lead time for a custom order was 10 weeks, so in January 2021 we tried to o put our order in, but were told by the dealer that just a few days before Ford had surprised them by closing the Order Window unexpectedly on Super Duty’s, the earliest by far that they had ever done that and we would have to wait several months until they opened ordering up for the 2022 models. Over the next few days I saw a lot of banter online in discussion forums that many others were caught off guard because Ford stopped taking orders, but I also saw a few folks still claimed to have successfully put in orders at their dealers after the closed date. I decided to try calling a different Ford dealer who is the largest commercial truck seller in our area, they said they could still order us a truck. So we put our order in, then watched as delivery times for vehicles stretched out due to the pandemic and computer chip shortages. I’d call the dealer couple of few months to see if they could give us an update on timing and was told there was no build date listed in the system yet. Then one day in April out of the blue we got a call that our truck had arrived!  Just about our original ideal timing. We think we got lucky, because it was a custom order we were able to spec it without a lot of the fancy electronics options and this may have helped it not be delayed as much. It’s also possible that we got lucky with the factories build schedule for producing vehicles with the extended cab/long bed configuration. 

The paint color was another thing that caused some drama, we had originally chosen a blue color that ended up being discontinued on the 2021 models and had a hard time deciding on what color to get from those available. We decided to take a chance on a new color called Antimatter Blue, when we put the order in we were able to see a chip of the color, but no vehicles had been produced with this color yet so we could not see it in person. In the end we are very happy with the paint on this truck, most of the time and from a distance the truck appears to be just black, but when the light hits it just right it’s an amazing metallic blue. However when it’s parked next to a black truck it’s obvious that it’s not the same, and the blue tone looks great the anodized aluminum if the camper. I like the Antimatter name but also think they could have called this color “Henry Ford Blue” - you can have blue as long as it’s black. 

Overall we are very pleased with our F-350, it is proving to be very drivable and comfortable on the road. The size of the rig is taking some getting used to but beats trailering for ability to stop wherever you want and travel on roads that we might shy away from with a vintage trailer. We’ve even made good use of the truck as a truck without the camper, who knew trucks were so useful!



Friday, May 14, 2021

Allegany State Park
















































We did something different for us this year, we went camping in the spring! In past years this has been too busy a time for camping due to so much happening with our kids in school. With both kids both kids now in college we have more flexibility for timing for this type of thing. I got the Shasta out of the garage in mid April to get it ready fo rather season and to get a NY safety inspection sticker so that we’d be legal on the road. I know a lot of people in NY don’t keep these stickers up-to-date every year, but with a trailer that gets noticed as much as ours I try to always make sure everything is valid. 

It had been unseasonably warm, but then a week before our trip we were treated to a blanket of snow in the last week of April. We’ve done some fall camping when there were flurries in the air, but I think this is the first time in the 15 years since we restored the Shasta that it’s actually been out in the snow like this. Luckily things cleared up fast and the roads didn’t get salted our area, road salt was my biggest concern as it can make an impact on a vehicle with only one trip. 

Another fist for us was camping at NY’s Allegheny State Park. It’s only a few hours drive from home, but for whatever reason we had never camped there with the Shasta before. We camped mid-week and even though the reservation system showed about 50% of the sites as booked, we found that only 10% or less were actually occupied which was fantastic. We camped with some friends who rented a modern trailer that was a just a bit longer than ours. They are thinking about getting a camper and are torn between the luxuries of a new rig and the lure of vintage. They had a great time, but we’ll have to see what they end up with! 

It was a great trip that reminded us to visit places that are closer to home, we did a lot of hiking as well as driving around to check out the area. Besides the NY state park, there are several places to camp in nearby Pennsylvania. We checked a few places out and found several good camping spots in the Allegheny National Forest and Kinzua Dam area to keep in mind for quick trips once the Avion is on the road.







Monday, April 26, 2021

Propane lines and Heater!

 





































I recently Installed new propane lines and a Camco Olympic Wave Heater in the Avion C-10 truck camper. For this work I used 3/8” copper refrigeration tubing with flare connectors. With a little practice I found that making the flares using a hand-held flare tool was pretty easy. It’s an interesting process compared to running the PEX water lines, I tried to use as few connections as possible and used a very simple spring style tubing bender to keep the copper from collapsing when going around corners. It’s takes some tubing wrangling and pre-planning to get the propane line to go where you want, but it’s very satisfying when a segment is done. I used soapy water to test for leaks and found that only one connection needed to be tightened a bit more. I also included two gas shut-off valves one for the left side line and one for the right, these are both accessible from the outside of the camper just inside the fridge rear access door. Our Avion C-10 was built with a propane cabinet that is sized to hold one common 20lb propane tank, and I also installed a new dual-stage propane regulator which I mounted to the wall in the cabinet. I'm glad that it uses a standard tank because when we are on a longer road trips we could easily make use of Blue Rhino or other tank exchanges if needed instead of looking for a place to refill. After looking at a few different options for heaters we decided to use an Olympic Wave 3 propane heater. The Wave 3 is a small catalectic heater similar to the popular Mr. Buddy heaters but made for use in an RV, for us it seems like a good choice to extend the camping season into the fall which is our favorite time of the year to camp here in the northeastern US. Inspired by another Avion C-10 owner I mounted the Wave 3 to the inside of a cabinet door where it stores when not in use. The cabinet I’m using for this is the one that is mostly taken up by the hot water heater, the Wave 3 fits perfectly into the shallow space that is left over. To use the Wave we simply open the cabinet door and will secure it in the open position with a hook. When the door is open it is out-of-the-way being flat against the bathroom wall and the heater faces the dinette and sleeping area.  We also made a cover for the heater to keep dust out of the elements when not in use during most of our camping season, from what I've read a cover can help then maintain their performance. Having the propane system and heater up and running has been great over the last couple of months as I’ve been able to use it to keep the Avion warm while continuing to work on the camper during the winter months.

Thursday, December 31, 2020

Avion: Custom Black & Grey Tanks

 





























































Finally got the new Black Tank and Grey Tank for our Avion C-10! 
These have been a long time coming, I started designing them over a year ago and explored a lot of options on paper and with 3D mock-ups built from foamcore board. I ended up having my drawings quoted at several custom fabricators, the quotes I got back varied greatly. I ended up having them built at Triple M Plastics in Maine, they not only had one the best quotes but also gave me the most confidence that they would be built the way I wanted. The build quality of the tanks I received was amazing and they were spot on to my drawings. The Black Tank is similar to the original, but about 2” taller which is good because it’s pretty small being at about 7 gallons. I didn’t realize it until it was too late, but I think if you were to use a "short" Dometic toilet the black tank could be another 4” taller which would increase the capacity by another 3 or 4 gallons, if had already bought a “tall” toilet but maybe an opportunity here for someone reading this.

Our Avion did not originally have a Grey Tank, the sink drain lines were connected to the main dump valve below the gate so grey water would just run onto the ground, into a bucket, or to campsites waste connection if you were attached at a site with a full-hook ups. I designed a Grey Tank that hangs from the floor inside the grey fiberglass fairing under the bathroom. This tank is small even by truck camper standards also at about 7 gallons, but it allows us to use the sinks when traveling and easily dump the grey water separately from the black tank. The tricky part of a grey tank in this location is that it needs to be below the trap for the shower drain. I used a HepvO trap to save height over a conventional trap, and because it uses a rubber valve it also keeps odors from coming up through the shower drain. I cut-out the bottom two layers of flooring in the area just above the trap to gain an additional inch of height in the capacity of the grey tank. We are rebuilding bathroom to allow it to still function as wet bath which will be a nice feature to have when boondocking, but if you want a larger grey tank eliminating the wet bath might be something to consider.  


Sunday, November 15, 2020

in Hot Water!

 

































The new water heater is now installed securely, plumbed to the new PEX water lines, and connected to both 12v and 120v power. Some of the propane propane lines are only roughed in at this point, but theoretically we have hot water when plugged into shore power now. The new Dometic/Atwood heater fit very well into the old hole, I only needed to make a custom shaped sill piece for the bottom edge for a clean installation. I'm really glad to have that ugly patch gone and the giant hole left behind finally closed up! I had planned on getting a propane only model, but they are no longer in production and I could not find an old stock one for a price that made sense. Taping into the 120v AC line was pretty easy because there was an existing 120v outlet in the wall just above the heaters location. At some point I'll spray paint new door silver so it looks more like it belongs.